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There is a reason why the Swedish, and other nations', laws don't punish 10 year olds.
State your reasons and answer your quote
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How? By locking them up? By confining them to their room (after searching it for any remaining pieces of rope, of course)
So that is not sarcastic and tasteless,!!!
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Also, supervise a 10 year old child at all times? Really? And when does it stop? When they're old enough to look after their parents in the nursing home?
That was a little over the top and really unnecessary sarcasm.
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Ian, please don't deliberately misread my post, OK?
I said that nobody is to blame. I guess the guilt lays with the 10 year old and his parents. But that's just moral guilt, not legal guilt.
No I think there is legal guilt on the mother of the 4 year old, as that child should not have been unsupervised by an adult. In the UK it is illegal to leave a child supervised by a child under 13, and I would think that law is not a lot different in any country.
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Did I say unsupervised? Did I say that I'll leave her in the playground while I go shopping for nice clothes? Did I? Nope, I did not say that. All I said was that it is impossible to supervise a 4 year old 24/7 without locking them up.
Nor is it beneficial for the child. That's my opinion. Yours might be different, but don't imply that I leave my child and go shopping nice fucking clothes, willya, puleeeze?
But you were saying that it was ok for the mother to do it.
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Yes, there are child murderers here too, unfortunately. Pedophiles, too. A very few very unfortunate children get killed by strangers here every year. A lot more are abused.
But, you know what? The vast majority of children who get killed and abused get killed and/or abused by the persons who are supposed to supervise them. I'm pretty sure that's no different in good ole England.
It does not matter who they are killed by, it all comes down to unsupervised children, either by the State Social Services or by the loving parents. There is never a time for a 4 year old child to be killed by an older child outdoors, unless it is through neglect of responsibility of the parent in charge.
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I live in a neighborhood with 48 houses. In each house lives a family with children, age 1 month to 20 years. That's roughly 120 kids and counting. In the middle of those houses is a playground and there are always children of all ages playing there. Sometimes a mother or a father is with them, sometimes there isn't. With the real small ones there's always an adult there, of course, but if they're 4 years and upwards, it apparently is believed by all of those 96 parents that they can fend for themselves for some time.
I somehow doubt that, because you have already stated you would not leave your 4 year old daughter unsupervised.

You have said there is neglect yourself, lucy [Highlighted] that is neglect and stupidity.
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One 4 year old boy has been hit by a car emerging from a parking lot (without suffering heavy injuries, luckily), though, while cycling on the sidewalk. That would have happened too, if his mother had been watching him every single second.
You cannot be sure of that.

One other thing I will point out is that when I say the girls were never out of our sight at 12 years old. We knew they were ok as they were with much older Gypsy children because my wife was a real Roma Gypsy. Older children are taught at a young age to look after the young as if they were their own kin. They look after their children and there are very few if any Roma Gypsies in old folk’s homes living off the state. Yes their children do look after them when they get old, but it is not forced, it is respect for their parents.


Be well IAN 2411